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	<title>Comments on: How do conservative explain the failure of the housing market &#038; banking system during Bush presidency?</title>
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		<title>By: Mike W</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be unreasonable to blame the housing crash on one person, or even one administration.  The housing crash was a chain reaction.  People defaulted on their mortgages, which drove down the value of other homes to the point that their mortgage was for more than the value of their home.  They defaulted, driving the value down even further, which caused more people to default.  Banks were being pressured to provide mortgages to low income families, and they were approved for more than they should have been.  Interest rates were too low, the Fed should have been raising interest rates to slow things down, but they didn't.   Everyone in key decision making positions fell asleep at the helm, and didn't notice that the ship was headed straight into the rocks.&lt;a href="http://www.greattoolsusa.com/pullers-and-installers-4382"&gt; Mike W&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be unreasonable to blame the housing crash on one person, or even one administration.  The housing crash was a chain reaction.  People defaulted on their mortgages, which drove down the value of other homes to the point that their mortgage was for more than the value of their home.  They defaulted, driving the value down even further, which caused more people to default.  Banks were being pressured to provide mortgages to low income families, and they were approved for more than they should have been.  Interest rates were too low, the Fed should have been raising interest rates to slow things down, but they didn&#8217;t.   Everyone in key decision making positions fell asleep at the helm, and didn&#8217;t notice that the ship was headed straight into the rocks.<a href="http://www.greattoolsusa.com/pullers-and-installers-4382"> Mike W</a></p>
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		<title>By: Call Me Bwana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Call Me Bwana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 04:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They weren't a failure of the free market, because they were caused by conditions created by government that distorted the market.

It started with the Community Reinvestment Act of 1993, which gave the government the power to punish banks that did not meet their goals of loans to minorities. To meet these goals, banks were forced to issue higher risk loans than they had previously deemed wise.

Then, to offset that risk, the derivative investment devices were created. But since the risk was inherently unknown (government had never forced high risk loans to be made before), those investments themselves were risky.

But the government (pushed by Democrat political operatives running Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac) also opened those government-sponsored entities (they keep profits, but the US taxpayer takes the risks) to purchase a bunch of these risky papers.

In the course of having created these derivatives for the government-mandated risky lending, financial firms found that it could be lucrative to offer similar risky loans and play in the derivatives market with non-poor people. And with Fannie and Freddie buying paper to the tune of trillions, the money flow kept on going.

As time went, real estate prices soared, and with the Fed loaning money out at low interest rates (supported by Bush and his "ownership society" policy), that created a real estate pricing bubble.

And when people started noticing this was a bad thing, it was Democrats who were able to prevent the GOP from making changes, because the GOP only had a small majority in the Senate, and a slightly larger majority in the House. And Democrats like Dodd and Frank, who had very cosy relationships with the banking industry, prevented any action that could have tempered the coming realignment by addressing it sooner.

So, it is pure, unfettered ignorance to simply blame it on Bush, or even wholly on the Democrats.

The problem was caused by government intervention into the market, which caused a significant distortion of risk, and fueled by bad Fed policy caused an unstable bubble that when it popped, ravaged the financial sector of the economy. And that had a very large ripple effect over the rest of the economy.

So, this is the type of occurrence we refer to when we conservatives say that government is the problem, not the answer.&lt;a href="http://www.bigguitarshop.com/replacement-parts-84933"&gt; Call Me Bwana&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They weren&#8217;t a failure of the free market, because they were caused by conditions created by government that distorted the market.</p>
<p>It started with the Community Reinvestment Act of 1993, which gave the government the power to punish banks that did not meet their goals of loans to minorities. To meet these goals, banks were forced to issue higher risk loans than they had previously deemed wise.</p>
<p>Then, to offset that risk, the derivative investment devices were created. But since the risk was inherently unknown (government had never forced high risk loans to be made before), those investments themselves were risky.</p>
<p>But the government (pushed by Democrat political operatives running Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac) also opened those government-sponsored entities (they keep profits, but the US taxpayer takes the risks) to purchase a bunch of these risky papers.</p>
<p>In the course of having created these derivatives for the government-mandated risky lending, financial firms found that it could be lucrative to offer similar risky loans and play in the derivatives market with non-poor people. And with Fannie and Freddie buying paper to the tune of trillions, the money flow kept on going.</p>
<p>As time went, real estate prices soared, and with the Fed loaning money out at low interest rates (supported by Bush and his &#8220;ownership society&#8221; policy), that created a real estate pricing bubble.</p>
<p>And when people started noticing this was a bad thing, it was Democrats who were able to prevent the GOP from making changes, because the GOP only had a small majority in the Senate, and a slightly larger majority in the House. And Democrats like Dodd and Frank, who had very cosy relationships with the banking industry, prevented any action that could have tempered the coming realignment by addressing it sooner.</p>
<p>So, it is pure, unfettered ignorance to simply blame it on Bush, or even wholly on the Democrats.</p>
<p>The problem was caused by government intervention into the market, which caused a significant distortion of risk, and fueled by bad Fed policy caused an unstable bubble that when it popped, ravaged the financial sector of the economy. And that had a very large ripple effect over the rest of the economy.</p>
<p>So, this is the type of occurrence we refer to when we conservatives say that government is the problem, not the answer.<a href="http://www.bigguitarshop.com/replacement-parts-84933"> Call Me Bwana</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dr UrgentCare</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr UrgentCare</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 07:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Both Bush and Clinton before him warned the Congress to stop promoting and pushing the subprime loan program.  Many senators and representatives insisted the FDIC, Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac continue to force banks to make the loans to people who couldn't afford them and to guarantee those loans so the banks would feel at less risk making them against their better judgement.  When all the bad loans came due and people couldn't afford to pay them, the bottom fell out of the market and caused our terrible current economy.

This all started more than a decade ago with the Community Reinvestment Act and can't be blamed on Bush or Clinton, but on the liberal, socialist leaning members of Congress who enacted it.  Here is a referrence:

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Community Reinvestment Act (or CRA, Pub.L. 95-128, title VIII, 91 Stat. 1147, 12 U.S.C. § 2901 et seq.) is a United States federal law designed to encourage commercial banks and savings associations to meet the needs of borrowers in all segments of their communities, including low- and moderate-income neighborhoods.[1][2][3] Congress passed the Act in 1977 to reduce discriminatory credit practices against low-income neighborhoods, a practice known as redlining.[4][5]  

Sometimes "fairness" is not a good thing, especially when it's forced on us and on business.  It's ruined the entire economy this time, harming many individuals, families and businesses.  Giving mortgages to people who can't afford to pay them back, just to be "fair", is what has caused the current economic crisis.

Those Senators that were paid kickbacks and given great favors and gifts to keep the subprime loan program going despite the warnings that it would eventually ruin the economy are more to blame than others.  The top three Senator recipients of the most pay offs are Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, and Barack Obama.

So think twice when you hear the White House say they "inherited" this economic crisis.  The current administration actually help to cause it.&lt;a href="http://www.englishoverseas.com/teach-english/teach-english-thailand.htm"&gt; Dr UrgentCare&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Both Bush and Clinton before him warned the Congress to stop promoting and pushing the subprime loan program.  Many senators and representatives insisted the FDIC, Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac continue to force banks to make the loans to people who couldn&#8217;t afford them and to guarantee those loans so the banks would feel at less risk making them against their better judgement.  When all the bad loans came due and people couldn&#8217;t afford to pay them, the bottom fell out of the market and caused our terrible current economy.</p>
<p>This all started more than a decade ago with the Community Reinvestment Act and can&#8217;t be blamed on Bush or Clinton, but on the liberal, socialist leaning members of Congress who enacted it.  Here is a referrence:</p>
<p>From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia<br />
The Community Reinvestment Act (or CRA, Pub.L. 95-128, title VIII, 91 Stat. 1147, 12 U.S.C. § 2901 et seq.) is a United States federal law designed to encourage commercial banks and savings associations to meet the needs of borrowers in all segments of their communities, including low- and moderate-income neighborhoods.[1][2][3] Congress passed the Act in 1977 to reduce discriminatory credit practices against low-income neighborhoods, a practice known as redlining.[4][5]  </p>
<p>Sometimes &#8220;fairness&#8221; is not a good thing, especially when it&#8217;s forced on us and on business.  It&#8217;s ruined the entire economy this time, harming many individuals, families and businesses.  Giving mortgages to people who can&#8217;t afford to pay them back, just to be &#8220;fair&#8221;, is what has caused the current economic crisis.</p>
<p>Those Senators that were paid kickbacks and given great favors and gifts to keep the subprime loan program going despite the warnings that it would eventually ruin the economy are more to blame than others.  The top three Senator recipients of the most pay offs are Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, and Barack Obama.</p>
<p>So think twice when you hear the White House say they &#8220;inherited&#8221; this economic crisis.  The current administration actually help to cause it.<a href="http://www.englishoverseas.com/teach-english/teach-english-thailand.htm"> Dr UrgentCare</a></p>
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		<title>By: racingdiego@sbcglobal.net</title>
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		<dc:creator>racingdiego@sbcglobal.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 10:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Dems were in control of COngress since 2005/06!!

And WIth people like Barbey Frank, Charles Rangle, Harry Reid and Chris Dodd and their weak "regulations" is what ruined the housing/banking industries. In the name of "People have a Right to own a home" Jimmy Carter Community Reinvestment Act!

Look it up your self.&lt;a href="http://www.bigjobtools.com/srch/srch.php?q=hand+tools"&gt; racingdiego@sbcglobal.net&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Dems were in control of COngress since 2005/06!!</p>
<p>And WIth people like Barbey Frank, Charles Rangle, Harry Reid and Chris Dodd and their weak &#8220;regulations&#8221; is what ruined the housing/banking industries. In the name of &#8220;People have a Right to own a home&#8221; Jimmy Carter Community Reinvestment Act!</p>
<p>Look it up your self.<a href="http://www.bigjobtools.com/srch/srch.php?q=hand+tools"> </a><a href="mailto:racingdiego@sbcglobal.net">racingdiego@sbcglobal.net</a></p>
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		<title>By: Cindy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 00:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Easy money.  They think greed is a virtue.&lt;a href="http://www.myislandholiday.com/amelia-island-vacation-rental.htm"&gt; Cindy&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Easy money.  They think greed is a virtue.<a href="http://www.myislandholiday.com/amelia-island-vacation-rental.htm"> Cindy</a></p>
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		<title>By: David S</title>
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		<dc:creator>David S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 03:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ask Barnie Frank.&lt;a href="http://www.medicalsupplyservices.com/medical-equipment-sales.htm"&gt; David S&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ask Barnie Frank.<a href="http://www.medicalsupplyservices.com/medical-equipment-sales.htm"> David S</a></p>
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		<title>By: DukeofDixie</title>
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		<dc:creator>DukeofDixie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 16:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well the first 6 years of Bush,everything went fairly smooth, then in  2 short years, the Democrats destroyed the American economic system, worked with oil producing countries in the Middle East to raise oil prices just so they could get a Democrat in the White House, that's right you lost your job and 401K's  for political purposes*********************&lt;a href="http://www.cargearusa.com/srch/srch.php?q=hitch"&gt; DukeofDixie&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well the first 6 years of Bush,everything went fairly smooth, then in  2 short years, the Democrats destroyed the American economic system, worked with oil producing countries in the Middle East to raise oil prices just so they could get a Democrat in the White House, that&#8217;s right you lost your job and 401K&#8217;s  for political purposes*********************<a href="http://www.cargearusa.com/srch/srch.php?q=hitch"> DukeofDixie</a></p>
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		<title>By: The Gray Conservative</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Gray Conservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 09:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Red lining used to be an issue until carter implemented the community reinvestment act, which at this point just required lenders to not to be blatantly discriminatory against who they deemed wouldn't pay back, Clinton edited to bill to not account for history, or anything else except for fiscal status, with unemployment, and welfare counting for income. To ensure this, the money was separated from company who owned it, and other organizations were created to lend out the money for them.

Thus you have a disconnection for those giving out money, as it is not their own.

Ca's credit rates were the worst in the nation, the housing bubble was created due to the easy standards for getting loans, standards which were set and enforced by the government, people would buy a house by taking loans out, then selling it, as long as the prices go up it did not hurt you.

Once the prices went down, those who bought the houses with loans could not make money selling it and were not stuck with the loans.&lt;a href="http://www.legaldot.net/law/divorce/choosing-a-divorce-lawyer.htm"&gt; The Gray Conservative&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Red lining used to be an issue until carter implemented the community reinvestment act, which at this point just required lenders to not to be blatantly discriminatory against who they deemed wouldn&#8217;t pay back, Clinton edited to bill to not account for history, or anything else except for fiscal status, with unemployment, and welfare counting for income. To ensure this, the money was separated from company who owned it, and other organizations were created to lend out the money for them.</p>
<p>Thus you have a disconnection for those giving out money, as it is not their own.</p>
<p>Ca&#8217;s credit rates were the worst in the nation, the housing bubble was created due to the easy standards for getting loans, standards which were set and enforced by the government, people would buy a house by taking loans out, then selling it, as long as the prices go up it did not hurt you.</p>
<p>Once the prices went down, those who bought the houses with loans could not make money selling it and were not stuck with the loans.<a href="http://www.legaldot.net/law/divorce/choosing-a-divorce-lawyer.htm"> The Gray Conservative</a></p>
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		<title>By: shnicklefritz38</title>
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		<dc:creator>shnicklefritz38</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 14:38:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They can't.  The push for deregulation missed a crucial point: Greed.  The bailout unfortunately sends a signal they can do it again.  Hopefully laws will be passed so the next time a Wall Street firm pulls a scam THEY will go down.&lt;a href="http://www.felinehealthguide.com/feline-anatomy.htm"&gt; shnicklefritz38&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They can&#8217;t.  The push for deregulation missed a crucial point: Greed.  The bailout unfortunately sends a signal they can do it again.  Hopefully laws will be passed so the next time a Wall Street firm pulls a scam THEY will go down.<a href="http://www.felinehealthguide.com/feline-anatomy.htm"> shnicklefritz38</a></p>
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		<title>By: rrm38</title>
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		<dc:creator>rrm38</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 23:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clinton signed the Community Reinvestment Act of 1995 that forced lenders to offer loans to more minorities.  In order to meet quotas, they had to get creative with their financing.  The Bush administration tried to warn of problems with Fannie &#038; Freddie and tried to push for reigning them in beginning in 2001.  Barney Frank said the idea was ludicrous and that both companies, and the real estate/banking industries, were fundamentally strong.  Here's a report that shows the timeline on that:&lt;a href="http://www.bigguitarshop.com/recording-gear-85025"&gt; rrm38&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clinton signed the Community Reinvestment Act of 1995 that forced lenders to offer loans to more minorities.  In order to meet quotas, they had to get creative with their financing.  The Bush administration tried to warn of problems with Fannie &#038; Freddie and tried to push for reigning them in beginning in 2001.  Barney Frank said the idea was ludicrous and that both companies, and the real estate/banking industries, were fundamentally strong.  Here&#8217;s a report that shows the timeline on that:<a href="http://www.bigguitarshop.com/recording-gear-85025"> rrm38</a></p>
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